View Full Version : Kyoto with steering in the center?

07-03-2013, 11:52 AM
Has anyone built a Kyoto that steers from the center? Meaning either person can hold on and steer? I am thinking a forward/backward moving arm or stick might work, although braking could be a potential issue. I have used a double brake lever in the past for another project which could control both the rear brakes but then there may not be a front brake. I am not planning to go over 10 mph with this so that may not be an issue.
Maybe just mounting the pilot steering system from the plans in the center, cutting and reworking a neck so it does not extend to the side and is vertical above the headset and mounting it with a straight handlebar cut in 1/2 facing forward?
I am more curious to see if anyone has done this and what works or does not than anything else.

Thanks. :1eye:

07-03-2013, 12:05 PM
I may have just dreamt up the answer to this. I have had similar thoughts for a while, even though I won't build Kyoto at this time. Way past my bed timew now, so I will try and knock up a quick sketch to morrow/.
Steve G,

07-03-2013, 01:08 PM
I haven't seen one with the steering in the center, but a couple guys HAVE built 'em as
left-side drivers, like regular cars. I built mine as an "English driver", right-side, per the plans.
There are at least a couple of good reasons for it, as Brad points out in the plans. :)

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07-03-2013, 01:20 PM
Searching the web I found the link below. I am not sure his name on the forum if he is still on here but something along the lines of his steering mechanism is what I have in mind.

http://atomic-zombie-extreme-machines.blogspot.com/2011/04/kyoto-cruiser-trike-project-atomic.html (http://atomic-zombie-extreme-machines.blogspot.com/2011/04/kyoto-cruiser-trike-project-atomic.html)

Radical Brad
07-03-2013, 03:04 PM
Sounds like it would work just fine. Basically, link directly without the side conductor and make sure your steering partner thinks like you do!


07-03-2013, 05:20 PM
Well, that one's different, that's for sure.

Haven't seen that one before, but I noticed
he mentioned not liking the "steering bar".

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07-03-2013, 08:14 PM
Only problem is a mental one--its not the same reactions if you change sides - LH drive is intuitive with this set up, but RH is not, so it could be a problem if you change sides.
A short center "tiller", moving horizontally will mean that Left is always Left-which ever side you sit. It can carry brakes and shifters, and all levers are in reach of both drivers (or both passengers)
Until tested, this is all guesswork, but I would have a tiller, a bit more than half a normal bar, facing forward, swings horizontally, so pivot is at the rear. (no end of tube to hit you in the gut)
Brakes and shifters on the tiller. Move tiller to left, trike turns left

07-03-2013, 11:26 PM
If you check the Gallery, at this link http://forum.atomiczombie.com/gallery/showimage.php?i=3265&amp;catid=newimages you will see that the under seat steering will allow you to steer from both seats.<br>&nbsp;I would need to switch sides on the brake lever, but I was able to ride it from both seats. Stopping is a Flintstones thing.

07-04-2013, 08:45 AM
That really is dual control! Apart from sorting out brakes (which could be on a seperate center post, there is no problem on a quad. Its a bit harder to connect up on a trike like Kyoto, and I suspect the easiest way is to connect the two bars together, rather than try to run both systems to the front. Keep , say, the right as per the plans, and use a cross link to join left to right bars. dead simple that way, Could even be one brake lever on the center post for front brake, with a lever on each bar for one rear wheel each.
Shifters on the bars where they belong. No confusion, just learning where the front brake is.
Steve G
Then decide who really is driving this thing!

06-20-2014, 12:10 PM
Here is a good steering system for either driver.