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SirJoey
06-24-2008, 11:53 AM
A minor milestone reached this morning! 96 holes, & man, are my arms tired!

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/1018/hubflangesdrilledrr5.jpg

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AtomicZombie
06-24-2008, 12:08 PM
But it's so relaxing!

Say, did you drill down or horizontally? I now bolt the board to the edge of my workbench and push the drill horizontally. Much easier.

Brad

SirJoey
06-24-2008, 12:18 PM
Just like you see it, still in the vice. For me, it's easier than horizontal drilling. It would be nice to have it a little lower, though.

Tomorrow morning, who knows, maybe get 'em all chamferred...

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

Patrike
06-24-2008, 02:00 PM
Those look so prefect -- does that hand drill have lazer alignment.:D

Patrick

trikeman
06-24-2008, 02:39 PM
Those look so prefect -- does that hand drill have lazer alignment.:D

Patrick

They do look good. By the way, any of you that don't have one of these spring loaded center punches, they are great. I picked one up earlier this year on sale from HF and it is just so much easier than using a hammer to hit them. I wished I had one when I put all the center punch dimples in my DW hubs before drilling them.

http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=621

Most of the tools at HF are junk (but they will last me till I'm dead). This one is actually well made.

SirJoey
06-24-2008, 03:43 PM
Thanx guys. Yep, did it the old-fashioned way, with a regular center punch, well actually 2 of 'em. Started with a tiny one which is easy to line up on that tiny printed dot on the template (using reading glasses). Then, punched 'em all again with a bigger punch.

You really like that spring loaded punch, TM? I've never used one, but I'd like to try it. I like to punch a pretty big punch mark, though, so my drill doesn't walk, cuz I'm not using a center drill.

The heck of this is, that I have a little el-cheapo drill press, but the chuck won't grip a bit this small, so I still had to drill 'em all by hand. :(

BTW, Patrick, how's yours coming along? Today was the first time I worked on mine in over a month! Of course, I'd been working on finishing up the trailer, & also a seat mod for the Deltoyd (DW), which is parked in the sun right now, to cure some fresh paint on it.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

trikeman
06-24-2008, 04:08 PM
Yes I really like it. I also have the el-cheapo HF drill press, but it has no trouble gripping small bits. I drilled all of mine with it.

SirJoey
06-24-2008, 04:19 PM
Must be nice. My chuck will grip bits down to 1/8, but my spoke holes ended up being 7/64. Missed it by a measly 1/64 of an inch. Ain't that a kick in the butt? :(

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Richie Rich
06-24-2008, 10:15 PM
....I like to punch a pretty big punch mark, though, so my drill doesn't walk, cuz I'm not using a center drill.Since I started using center drills, I won't use anything else for spoke holes. I went to a local machinist and asked if he had any old ones he'd like to sell. I ended up with 3 of 'em for 5-bucks. They're used, but since they're double-ended, they still have enough life in them for what we want. The nice part is they not only drill the hole without drifting, but countersink it at the same time.

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SirJoey
06-24-2008, 10:28 PM
...The nice part is they not only drill the hole without drifting, but countersink it at the same time.

Yea, that's true, Richie. In fact, I still have one, but not the right size. I'm sure you're aware that they come in 5 sizes. (If memory serves)

I used to have a bunch of 'em in all 5 sizes, back in my machinist daze...

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Sparky
06-24-2008, 11:26 PM
it wasnt the best for drilling them perfectly, but i stacked all 4 of my circles and drilled them in one go. the top plate was perfect, the bottom one.... well, my wheels have a slight wobble to them.

i think if (when) i do it again, i'll stack 2. as for punching and countersinking the holes, i cheated. i used some of my jeweler's stonesetting burrs. perfect 45 degree angle, built right in. :)

SirJoey
06-25-2008, 07:07 AM
it wasnt the best for drilling them perfectly, but i stacked all 4 of my circles and drilled them in one go. the top plate was perfect, the bottom one.... well, my wheels have a slight wobble to them.

I thought about that, too. I would've done it that way myself if I could've used my drill press, but since I had to do 'em by hand, I knew better.

Well, time to get started... supposed to hit 97 degrees today! Sun's already up! I'll be knocking off in a couple of hours...

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SirJoey
06-25-2008, 12:00 PM
A good fit! (Thanx, Kid!)
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/7052/goodfitta8.jpg http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/6393/tackedcw7.jpg


Ground, wire-wheeled, & ready for paint...
http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/6809/readyforpaintoj4.jpg

Could've painted 'em today, but discovered to my ultimate horror, that I'm out of black paint, & since I live clear out in the outskirts of the friggin' galaxy, I'm at a standstill once again, till another expensive trip to town becomes unavoidable.

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n9viw
06-25-2008, 01:09 PM
Joey,

Have you considered getting one of these, and chucking it up in your drill press?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/POWER-SCREWDRIVER-CHUCK---BIT---ADAPTER---TOOL_W0QQitemZ360060670778QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=TL0 80623094a17485

Those close down to the wire/number size bits, and are designed to be used in power screwdrivers. It'd be a cinch to chuck that up, then put your 7/64" bit in it and go to town!

SirJoey
06-25-2008, 01:56 PM
...Have you considered getting one of these, and chucking it up in your drill press?
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/POWER-SCREWDRIVER-CHUCK---BIT---ADAPTER---TOOL_W0QQitemZ360060670778QQcmdZViewItem?IMSfp=TL0 80623094a17485
Those close down to the wire/number size bits, and are designed to be used in power screwdrivers. It'd be a cinch to chuck that up, then put your 7/64" bit in it and go to town!

Oh sure, NOW you tell me! LOL! Now that I've already made 3 SETS of hub flanges! Made 2 sets for the DW, cuz I botched the first set when I welded 'em onto the axles. They wobbled so bad, I had to saw 'em off & start all over, GASP!!! I wanted to cry!

Actually, that's a great idea, Nick, thanx. Hadn't thought of that. I see that one comes from the UK. I wonder if I can get one here.

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TheKid
06-25-2008, 03:18 PM
Was that the hole saw and step drill method for making the flanges?

dmaddalena
06-25-2008, 03:20 PM
Joey,

I was wondering how I was going to hold the hub flange square to the axle until it was tacked. Simple, use the freewheel adapter! Thanks for the tip.

TheKid
06-25-2008, 03:23 PM
You could use also use shaft collars to hold the flanges in place, then use them for the spacers.

SirJoey
06-25-2008, 03:35 PM
Was that the hole saw and step drill method for making the flanges?

You got it! That's why I started that post with the words "Thanx, Kid"!

Ummm, post #13, I mean... :D

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n9viw
06-25-2008, 04:43 PM
Apparently Harbor Freight USED to sell one, but doesn't anymore. From what I've read, no big loss, QC was the dog's bits, chucks and/or shanks mounted askant so the bit wobbled.

Here's a few:

http://www.ares-server.com/Ares/Ares.asp?MerchantID=RET01229&Action=Catalog&Type=Product&ID=81852

http://www.rtlfasteners.com/RC/994.html

http://www.ehobbytools.com/en-us/dept_8.html , about halfway down.

Also, Jacobs (you've seen their name on GOOD chucks) makes one, your local hardware store may have one or be able to get it for you. Ah! Here we go, everything's online if you look hard enough:

http://www.etoolsrus.com/browse.cfm/4,3726.html
http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_00988758000P?vName=Tools&cName=PowerToolAccessories&sName=Drill%20Doctor%20&%20Drill%20Attachments&psid=FROOGLE01&sid=IDx20070921x00003a

and Milwaukee Tool, expensive as usual: http://www.drillspot.com/products/71033/Milwaukee_Accessories_48-66-0065_Chuck

Hope this helps!

SirJoey
06-25-2008, 04:58 PM
Thanx, Nick. I appreciate your research! I'll prolly order one from one of those places. And yes, I'm WELL familiar with the Jacobs name in chucks, from my machinist daze. Back then, I had 2 different sizes of the Jacobs keyless chucks, VERY nice!

Sure wish I had kept some of that stuff. I knew I'd never have any need for MOST of it, after I got out of the trade & got into radio, but there are SOME things that I now wish I had kept. One thing I've learned in the last couple of years is, even when it's something that you think you'll never use again, NEVER SELL TOOLS!

Oh well, live & learn, right? :(

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TheKid
06-25-2008, 09:00 PM
Those chucks are designed to be used on a screw gun, the kind you use for sheetrock and such. The cheap ones suck, as do the cheap QR bits. I had a milwaukee screw gun that came with the chuck, and it was much better than any of the cheapies some of my co-workers used. If you don't want to lug a screwgun and a drill around, the chucks serve a good purpose.
Glad that method worked out Joey. As for me, the modified version for inserting the washers in the hubs hasn't worked quite out as well. They were a tad smaller than the inside of the hub, and one of them shifted, so the hole isn't perfectly centered. It's fairly easy to fix. I found that when I drill the decorative holes in the spinners, I could still install the spokes with the spinners attached. So now I don't need BB's to screw on the hubs, I can just weld the spinners in place. So all I have to do is drill the one hole larger than the axle, and drill a hole in the center of the spinner to center the hub. I also like using the freewheel adapter for aligning the flange better than the axle collars. There's more surface contact to hold the flange in place.

SirJoey
07-15-2008, 07:40 PM
Nearly 3 bloody weeks, but I finally got the paint, painted the hub flanges, cured 'em for 8 days, & got the wheels laced.
Not trued, mind you, but laced. Hoping to true 'em tomorrow, but other chores are screaming for attention, so I dunno...

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/94/wheelslacedqm4.jpg

Double walled, 48-spokers, these babies oughta be strong enough, eh?

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jimFPU
07-15-2008, 07:47 PM
Joey, what kind of welder did you use there?

SirJoey
07-15-2008, 07:58 PM
I've got a Hobart 135 gas mig. It's just a 110 volt, but seems to do okay. Actually, it does quite well when someone who knows how to weld uses it, LOL!

Of course, I welded these myself, but my sister's ex-boyfriend came over one time, & layed down welds with it that were just beautiful. The guy can weld like nobody's business, though. My welding still leaves much to be desired. Sometimes I get lucky & do a few beads that look halfway decent, like these (fortunately), but other times it's like I'm back to day one... :eek:

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SirJoey
07-15-2008, 08:11 PM
Here's a closer look, before I laced 'em today, Jim.

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/4540/hubflangespaintedrv1.jpg



Ah, found a pre-paint close-up. A little more honest...

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5599/hubflangespreweldedzu2.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

jimFPU
07-15-2008, 08:53 PM
Looks good to me...I'm still trying to find a welder so I can start practicing...I'm not sure if I should do that arc welder from Craigslist...

AtomicZombie
07-15-2008, 10:29 PM
Now the hard part is done!

Brad

SirJoey
07-17-2008, 06:22 PM
Harkening back to my machinist daze, I used my dial indicator to bring these bad boys home, but am I... S-L-O-W or what?
I got these puppies withing .007, both laterally AND vertically, but it took me an hour & a half per wheel!
Man, you'd think I was a senior citizen or something...:eek:

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7228/wheeltruing1rl3.jpg

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7500/wheeltruing2az9.jpg

2 hours to lace 'em, 3 hours to true 'em... I must be getting old!

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AtomicZombie
07-17-2008, 10:20 PM
Nice work! Those are the same rims I usually use as well - I take the stickers off.

Brad

SirJoey
07-18-2008, 05:58 PM
Finally finished these things up. But...
It'll drive me bonkers that they don't match, but decent BBs are still pretty hard for me to come by.

http://img391.imageshack.us/img391/2530/bottombracketsweldedrh6.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

AtomicZombie
07-18-2008, 08:23 PM
Once you add the cranks, you won't be able to see them.

Brad

SirJoey
07-22-2008, 11:26 AM
Can you spot the rolling frame in this pic?

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/3846/rollingframejl1.jpg

And to think, it only took me 7 months to get to this point!

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AtomicZombie
07-22-2008, 02:41 PM
Looks nice and straight. Good work - as usual!

Brad

SirJoey
07-22-2008, 04:25 PM
Looks nice and straight. Good work - as usual!

Thanx a lot! Just wish I had a little more room to work.
This one being the widest build yet, makes for some really cramped quarters!
I keep turning around & bumping into myself... :rolleyes:

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SirJoey
07-26-2008, 05:38 PM
I was considering using short truss tubes, per Patrike's excellent looking KC, but I decided I liked the looks of the full length tubes better, after all.
To me, it seems to make the head tube flow into the width of the frame.

http://64.136.20.22/1498082_l.jpg?download=1

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locolarry
07-27-2008, 05:05 AM
Harkening back to my machinist daze, I used my dial indicator to bring these bad boys home, but am I... S-L-O-W or what?
I got these puppies withing .007, both laterally AND vertically, but it took me an hour & a half per wheel!
Man, you'd think I was a senior citizen or something...:eek:
Uhhh, Well...., Us REAL Seniors who have NEVER laced and trued a wheel have a lot to look forward to. I'm really excited, now...At least I've got a target to shoot at!

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/7500/wheeltruing2az9.jpg

2 hours to lace 'em, 3 hours to true 'em... I must be getting old!

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Joey, It'll take me that long just to get "set-up"!
Larry

SirJoey
07-27-2008, 07:45 AM
Uhhh, Well...., Us REAL Seniors who have NEVER laced and trued a wheel have a lot to look forward to.

Real seniors? That was the joke, Larry. I AM a real senior. 55 last month!
And believe me, I never forget my free small drink at Taco Bell, every time I go! :D

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AtomicZombie
07-27-2008, 11:56 AM
You are hard core, man!

Hey, has the wheelbuilding bug started to seep in yet? At first, building a wheel is a task you don't look forward to, but after a few you will want to do more, and more, and more - like a good beer.

Brad

SirJoey
07-27-2008, 12:50 PM
...At first, building a wheel is a task you don't look forward to, but after a few you will want to do more, and more, and more...

Not yet, but I'm presently at 6 wheels & counting:

OverKill - front & rear
DW - two 24" rears
KC - two 20" rears

Admittedly though, at least I'm confident that I can do it now,
& I don't dread it quite as much!

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SirJoey
07-28-2008, 12:27 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here, & officially state my projected finish date as September 22, the first day of Fall. At least, that's my goal, anyway.
Of course, since Murphy's 2nd law states that "Everything takes longer than you think", it'll prolly end up being closer to Christmas! :rolleyes:

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/6391/brakediscflangeweldedjf8.jpg

http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/3328/brakediscassemblieskl0.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

locolarry
07-29-2008, 01:08 AM
Man! That's some pretty work!...BTW...YOU can do it! No doubt, it will be finished by then!
LL

gbbwolf
07-29-2008, 02:37 AM
Don't make me come out there and sit on you till you get it done.
I can't drive there no gas money.
But my wolf be done soon.

May take me to xmas to pedal there though.

Nelson

SirJoey
07-30-2008, 01:44 PM
Man! That's some pretty work!

Thanx, Larry. Just another ol' dumb city slicker, doin' the best I can...


...BTW...YOU can do it! No doubt, it will be finished by then!

Apparently you're more sure of that than I am! Actually, due to certain disabilities, I'm physically unable to work on it more than a couple of hours a day, but at least I have been hitting it pretty consistantly for the last couple of weeks. I always start early, usually around 7am, due to the heat, & by 9-ish I'm already done for the day!

http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/2038/conductor1yf9.jpg http://img146.imageshack.us/img146/6797/forkweldedzw4.jpg

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/2739/frontenddetailser3.jpg

Oh, and Nelson, please don't come & sit on me, I'm pretty scrawny. I'll try harder, really I will! I promise!
On second thought, bring it on... I'll put your butt to work! LOL! You could show me how to produce something in record time, like you did your DW!

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

gbbwolf
07-30-2008, 02:28 PM
"Oh, and Nelson, please don't come & sit on me, I'm pretty scrawny. I'll try harder, really I will! I promise!
On second thought, bring it on... I'll put your butt to work! LOL! You could show me how to produce something in record time, like you did your DW!"

Was that a record time.
I thought it took forever and a day.

Maybe I was being too hard on myself.

Curiousity Question.

How Long does it take to roll out a project for most people on average???

Most people not including BRAD.

Nelson:rolleyes:

SirJoey
07-30-2008, 02:37 PM
So far, I've consistantly averaged 2 months per build. I joined the forum almost 14 months ago, & so far, I've cranked out 7 rides, although the last one was a dismal failure.

This current project however, was actually started back in December! I don't think I'll end up with the most total hours in it, but it'll definitely take the cake for being spread out over the longest period of time, that's for darn sure!

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

gbbwolf
07-30-2008, 02:57 PM
Im on average with you then, started mine about 2 months ago.
I am hoping next project is done a lot quicker.

Now that I got somewhere to work that the weather is not going to stop me.

And tools to do the job faster.
That chop saw mike has and his drill press and other tools going to make my build faster I think.

Also having a table I can lay things out on and not have to put them in my 4 foot shed everyday should help.

Nelson

locolarry
07-30-2008, 11:50 PM
My work time is limited so I'm content with just enjoying my project and making progress a little at a time. I've already built a dozen or so "builds" in my mind at 60 mph going down the road in my eighteen wheeler. This helps pass the miles and fires up my creative juices. I innovate, discard, re-do, and "Puzzle-out" (as my grandaddy used to say) many ideas throughout my day.

All things considered...it's the quality of the time spent rather than the quantity...n'cest pas?

Loco

PS, Sir J,
Have I told you that your welding is pretty? I hope to do that nicely someday!

locolarry
07-30-2008, 11:59 PM
Sir Joey,
Maybe you could figure out a "slide out" like they have in newer motor homes and travel trailers for more work space and elbow room....or an overhead crank-up for storage and breathing room,
LL

SirJoey
07-31-2008, 12:58 PM
Have I told you that your welding is pretty? I hope to do that nicely someday!

Thanx LL, but it's really hit or miss with me. If I'm in an ideal position, at the perfect height & angle, with good lighting, THEN I can USUALLY do OKAY.

Anything less than these ideal conditions though, & my welding is all over the place, in more ways than one. Crooked seams, porosity, & rookie-lookin' welds that look like they were cobbled together with some kind of booger rod!

Unlike me, REAL welders are consistant. I usually just post the close-up shots of my best lookin' ones! (A.K.A. Richie Rich syndrome!) :D

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/6273/conductor2cl5.jpg http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/8692/conductor3kb0.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

SirJoey
07-31-2008, 01:13 PM
Some of my "less-than-spectacular" welds... :eek:

http://img127.imageshack.us/img127/8606/bbcrappyweldsqd5.jpg


http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

SirJoey
08-01-2008, 01:31 PM
I'm about to wrap up the steering system on this puppy, but now, I'm in need of a couple of threading dies for the linkage rods. Well...

I've been a real good boy so far this year, & I have it on good authority that Santa is sending me a couple of dies any day now.
It's gonna be Christx in August! Can't wait...

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/2813/steeringassemblyfinisheln3.jpg http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9559/steeringassemblyaddedii9.jpg

http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/9559/rollingframe2ci8.jpg

As you can see, trying to build a 4' wide HPV in my little "shop", makes for unbelievably cramped quarters.
I can only move it forward & back about a foot. Side-to-side clearance is about the same, too.

It's a nightmare trying to work like this, especially when I have to move it, raise it, turn it over, etc!
Extremely difficult working conditions! Still, I'm thankful that the **** blessed me with it, cuz it sure beats nothing!

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

trikeman
08-01-2008, 01:36 PM
Threading mine was a real b**ch, since most of those tap and die sets are really just made to chase existing threads. The far easier method is to just weld a portion of a bolt on the end of the shaft.

SirJoey
08-01-2008, 01:48 PM
...The far easier method is to just weld a portion of a bolt on the end of the shaft.

Well, that's the way I did it on the DW, but I wanted to do it "right" this time, & have one end of each rod with a left-hand thread, so I could make adjustments without removing rod ends, the way the Kid does his.

Unfortunately, I've been unable to find 3/8-24 bolts with left-hand threads, at least locally. Otherwise, that's the way I'd have done it this time, too. If threading them turns out to be too difficult, I'll order the darn left-hand bolts if I have to.

Doing it this way is not imperative of course, but it is a nice little refinement! :)

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trikeman
08-01-2008, 01:56 PM
I got mine to work by threading them, but they are very ugly thread-wise (cracked threads etc). I will not do it again, unless of course I get a lathe!

trikeman
08-01-2008, 02:00 PM
For those new guys who don't yet have a clue what we are talking about, here is a picture of the quick and easy method:

http://www.atlantamusclecars.com/DeltaWolf/Threaded_Shaft.pdf

and here is the record of my misadventure trying to cut them

http://www.lucidscience.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=1222&SearchTerms=threads

SirJoey
08-01-2008, 03:06 PM
...here is a picture of the quick and easy method:

Here's another: http://forum.atomiczombie.com/showthread.php?t=935 (http://forum.atomiczombie.com/showthread.php?t=935)

I just posted this one a few days ago. It's actually the short rod on the KC, although I had intended it to be a temporary,
since it was done "traditional" style, with normal, right-hand threads on both ends.

Believe me, I'd rather just weld 'em on, the easy way, but I didn't wanna have to order left-hand thread bolts,
& the Kid made me a super deal on a couple of dies & a handle, so I figured I'd give it a shot this way.

We'll see how it goes...


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AtomicZombie
08-01-2008, 03:12 PM
Hey Joey, your welding is now looking top notch.

Brad

trikeman
08-01-2008, 03:17 PM
Yes Joey, that last headstock welding looks great. Did you use solid wire and gas on it, or just flux core?

SirJoey
08-01-2008, 03:37 PM
...your welding is now looking top notch.

Hmmmm... I don't know about "top notch", but thanx! I guess you didn't see those bottom brackets up there... :D
Granted, I'm improving, but I lack consistancy. At least I've finally reached the point of having a higher percentage of decent ones than crappy ones, though!

Thanx TM, I'm using wire & gas. Hobart Handler 135. Just a little 110 unit.

Hey, look. Santa came TODAY:

http://img363.imageshack.us/img363/7874/diesib3.jpg

Funny thing, he's living in New York, now! ;)

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

SirJoey
08-02-2008, 11:32 AM
The right-hand thread:
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/3348/linkagerodthreaded1xg5.jpg


The left hand thread:
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/2031/linkagerodthreaded2cn1.jpg


End result: Steering system complete! Thanx, "Santa"!
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/1025/steeringsystemcompletesm7.jpg

Well, complete except for ordering some left-hand nuts, anyway!

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

trikeman
08-02-2008, 12:44 PM
Nice work. They sure do look better than the ones I tried to do.

TheKid
08-02-2008, 12:53 PM
Theboltdepot.com is the place for nuts and bolts. They're service is scond to none.

SirJoey
08-04-2008, 12:25 PM
What's wrong with this picture?

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/1073/brakesmountedqq0.jpg

Don't worry, I've already corrected my little blooper.

The Kroozer popped her first wheelie today!

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/861/poppinwheelieqb3.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

SirJoey
08-07-2008, 12:21 PM
Ah, nice, tight tolerances, just the way I like 'em!

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9060/dermount1cm9.jpg

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/729/dermount2wk3.jpg
Next, I'll cut off this little protruding axle stub.


http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/2577/dermount3mv0.jpg
Same close clearance on this side, as both der mounts were ground
& drilled identically, as a pair.

Tryin' to keep after it. My deadline is less than 7 weeks away!

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

dmaddalena
08-07-2008, 12:33 PM
Very nice work.
I am curious, what are the brackets welded on the back tube are for?

SirJoey
08-07-2008, 01:34 PM
Very nice work.
I am curious, what are the brackets welded on the back tube are for?

Thanx. I'm surprised nobody's already asked that. Those are for mounting my rear-facing phase cannons! ;)

They're gonna be my seat strut mounts. I'm building a "sports car" version of the KC, much shorter than the original. The back of my seat will actually be about even with the back of the frame.

I've actually built the frame as short as I can possibly get by with. I'll be seated at the extreme rear, with my pedals nearly touching the inside front of the frame. Also, a 5 degree steeper head tube angle, which brings the front wheel in a little closer to the frame, so it's gonna be a small trike, as the KC goes. :cool:

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

dmaddalena
08-07-2008, 02:22 PM
Ah yes, I should have caught that in the 'first wheelie' pic. I see it now.

Richie Rich
08-07-2008, 11:09 PM
Nice work as usual, Joey. That's gonna be one tricked-out-trike...!!

...Richie...

SirJoey
08-08-2008, 12:14 PM
Remember, boys & girls, when attempting to mig-weld something, take the time to verify that the material you're preparing to weld, is in fact, steel.

Located a metric washer that's a nice, tight fit! Actually had to press it in with the vice. I'm thinkin', "This is gonna work great!"

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/4400/beautycap1cj3.jpg




"What the...? Aluminum? DOH! Joey, you dang knucklehead! You wasted another good part!"

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3269/beautycap2ex5.jpg




Second attempt was a little more successful, using one that was actually made of steel!

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/1787/beautycap3re1.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

SirJoey
08-08-2008, 12:21 PM
Nice work as usual, Joey.

Thanx, Richie. I wouldn't say "as usual", though. Just like my welds, I tend to post my best stuff,
in an attempt to fool somebody into believing that I've actually learned something! :D

But, you wouldn't know anything about THAT, now would you? ;)

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

Richie Rich
08-08-2008, 01:52 PM
I do the same thing that Doctors do, Joe. I BURY my mistakes...!!

....'Doctor' Richie...

PS...I keep a small magnet in my parts pile so I can verify steel or NOT steel.
.

locolarry
08-08-2008, 11:39 PM
RR-

I have a bunch of magnets in my shop, too. While working with my billfold in my pocket, I destroyed two credit cards and my ATM card. I think that I demagnetized the strips or at least re-arranged the strips...Now I leave my billfold on my desk!
Larry

SirJoey
08-09-2008, 01:39 PM
I have several magnets in my "shop" as well. Just didn't bother to check the part this time,
cuz it looked like chrome, & being such a small part, I didn't notice the light weight, either. :rolleyes:

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

SirJoey
08-20-2008, 01:15 PM
Progress has been slow of late, but I finally got just a bit more done.
These aren't the bars I'm gonna use, but they're a good choice for "squaring".
Here's how I squared the clamp for the passenger bars, for welding:
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6247/clampsquared1mo4.jpg

http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/6625/clampsquared2im0.jpg



Because I made 'em too small, the idler pulley mounts are gonna have to be cut off,
refabricated & rewelded, due to chain-line interference with the passenger bars. Boo-hoo...
http://img383.imageshack.us/img383/2576/clampweldedfz6.jpg

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

easyped
08-25-2008, 06:41 PM
I came up with an "actual" steel frame, an old Murry 18 speed mountain bike.
I stripped all the old parts off and got to the forks and handlebars... dang! Got some rust in there I think. I can barely rotate the forks.
I'm thinking about getting the cut off grinder going and chopping off the 26" forks and the handlebars stem just above and below the head shell. Then pounding the insides out with a large rod.

What do ya'll think?

TheKid
08-25-2008, 06:59 PM
NO! You may someday need those parts. get the handlebars out. If you have to, cut the bolt, you could always replace that. Loosen the stem bolt, fork cap nut, and retainer. Spray the steering tube and stem liberally with WD 40, and let it seep in. You may have to spray several times to get enough down there without overflowing. Wait ten minutes, then tap the stem with a good size hammer where the handlebars were from side to side, the tap it up and out. If it doesn't looen, spray it again, wait ten minutes, and do it over. Everything should loosen after 2 applications. Once the stem is out, or if you do have to cut it, tap the fork crown hard on both sides until the steering tube falls out.

easyped
08-26-2008, 09:43 AM
Ok I'll give WD 40 a try. It's sounding pretty narlie in there.


NO! You may someday need those parts. get the handlebars out. If you have to, cut the bolt, you could always replace that. Loosen the stem bolt, fork cap nut, and retainer. Spray the steering tube and stem liberally with WD 40, and let it seep in. You may have to spray several times to get enough down there without overflowing. Wait ten minutes, then tap the stem with a good size hammer where the handlebars were from side to side, the tap it up and out. If it doesn't looen, spray it again, wait ten minutes, and do it over. Everything should loosen after 2 applications. Once the stem is out, or if you do have to cut it, tap the fork crown hard on both sides until the steering tube falls out.

trikeman
08-26-2008, 10:11 AM
I have heard from several mechanics that they prefer PB Blaster to WD40 for freeing stuck bolts etc. I have used both and can't say I have done a scientific comparison, but here is a poll on them for whatever popularity is worth. By the time I get something loose, I have usually used them all and a torch and the BFH, so who knows what really did it?

http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f53/best-penetrating-lubricant-31572/?t-31572.html=


You could probably make your own WD-40 if you followed the list of ingredients contained here. I will have to try it sometime.

http://community.discovery.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9701967776/m/8581927879

TheKid
08-26-2008, 12:49 PM
There was a documentary about WD-40 some time ago, when they mentioned that one of the main ingredients is banana oil.

n9viw
08-26-2008, 02:34 PM
The WD stands for "Water Displacement", the reason why it was made. That's about all it's good for, I don't use it for anything else. Any potential lubricant properties are about miniscule compared to things that are actually DESIGNED as lubricants, such as silicone spray, oil, teflon, or graphite.

I use P'Blaster on stuck bolts, and if they're still stuck after P'B and heat, I use Gibbs (http://getgibbs.com/). That, or Kroil (http://www.kanolabs.com/) are THE BEST for breaking frozen assemblies free. Save the WD for cleaning the grandkids' artwork off the walls and getting gum off your shoe.

SirJoey
09-01-2008, 03:31 PM
True, WD stands for water displacement, but it does work quite well as a penetrant. I've used it for years, & it's always worked well for me. Maybe not on the level of PB, but comparable to Liquid Wrench anyway, & that's not bad.

Also true that the lubricating poperties are very limited. Although it actually lubricates quite well initially, it quickly dries up, leaving no lubrication behind.

I can't speak for Gibbs or Kroil, but I'll certainly give 'em a shot, if I can find 'em locally.

http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

SirJoey
10-14-2008, 09:35 PM
After a 5 1/2 week fire-related hiatus, I'm finally back in the game!
Actually did a little welding today!
It'd been so long, I nearly forgot how! :eek:

Like that dude in "TacoLips Now", I love the smell of welding fumes in the morning! ;)

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9206/signaturehalloweenvr0.jpg

greenevegiebeast
10-15-2008, 02:04 AM
joey just rember the hot sparking end goes tward the hetal, preferably near the joint. the clampy thing gets atached to the metal,:D (dont you hate smart alaks):D

SirJoey
10-15-2008, 08:27 AM
joey just rember the hot sparking end goes tward the hetal, preferably near the joint. the clampy thing gets atached to the metal,:D (dont you hate smart alaks):D

But then, where do my hands go? :confused:

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9206/signaturehalloweenvr0.jpg

SirJoey
10-16-2008, 01:50 PM
What a neat little gizmo!
Can't wait till I can actually use it for something...

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/1738/trailerhitch1vp1.jpg

http://img238.imageshack.us/img238/9848/trailerhitch2ch8.jpg


http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9206/signaturehalloweenvr0.jpg

AtomicZombie
10-16-2008, 02:45 PM
Don't fight it anymore! You know the hubmotor is calling you now.

Nice work on the "gizmo", by the way.

Brad

greenevegiebeast
10-17-2008, 12:11 AM
But then, where do my hands go? :confused:

http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9206/signaturehalloweenvr0.jpg

I have a few Ideas, but sence you are single they might seem inapropret.:D

SirJoey
10-17-2008, 01:46 PM
Got my steer welded up today, & got started on temporary cabling...

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/4838/cablingstartedap5.jpg

Don't think routing the chain over the bars is gonna work, though... ;)


http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9206/signaturehalloweenvr0.jpg

Maddog
10-17-2008, 03:01 PM
Joey, what are the eye bolts and verticle tubing on the front for? Are you planning a canopy?

locolarry
10-17-2008, 03:03 PM
Look at You Go, Man!!
Congrat's and Welcome Home!:D
Larry

SirJoey
10-17-2008, 04:50 PM
Joey, what are the eye bolts and verticle tubing on the front for? Are you planning a canopy?

Bingo, Dan. Eyes are for locks, vertical tubes for the "lid".


Look at You Go, Man!!
Congrat's and Welcome Home!

Thanx, Larry! Good to be back in the game! :D
I'm not the MVP, but at least I'm off the bench!


http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9206/signaturehalloweenvr0.jpg

Patrike
10-18-2008, 09:46 AM
Looks like your going to beat me to the finish line. Looking nice. Can't wait to see the finished item and the detailed pics.

I doubt I will get back to my KC this year. If I get a chance to do anything it will be some repairs and a set of blade attachments for my trike to get ready for this years ice racing!

Later
Patrick

SirJoey
10-18-2008, 10:04 AM
Hey Patrick, good to see you're still checkin' in with us once in awhile!
Man, if I cross the finish line ahead of ANYBODY, it'll be a miracle.
Been workin' on this one for 10 months now! (So far...) :eek:

The fire set me back nearly 6 weeks, so my previous goal of finishing this thing
by the first day of Fall, flew away like a 50 dollar bill at the gas pump!
I've now settled on a new finishing date goal... Thanksgiving! :D


http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9206/signaturehalloweenvr0.jpg

SirJoey
10-27-2008, 07:09 PM
Another week of not touching it, due to other obligations,
but I'm finally back on it again....

Decided to add a couple of reinforcing gussets to the hitch,
as my version of the Bully is prolly gonna be monstrously heavy!

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/108/hitchreinforcinggussetswj9.jpg

Spent 3 solid hours with the wire wheel in my disc grinder, just trying to
clean off all the rust that had accumulated during the weeks she was
sitting under the pole shed, while I had no power.

...and STILL don't have it all cleaned up! :eek:


http://img185.imageshack.us/img185/9206/signaturehalloweenvr0.jpg

TheKid
10-27-2008, 08:34 PM
Little by little, that rust will be gone. Those reinforcements look good and solid.

greenevegiebeast
10-27-2008, 09:01 PM
"solid, solid as a rock":D

SirJoey
11-01-2008, 08:16 PM
FINALLY got the rest of the rust & corrosion off of the frame of this thing,
after several more hours of work! What a nightmare! :eek:

I've also realized, it's gonna take me 12 days to paint the frame, believe it or not!

Actually, that's a little misleading, since 7 days of that time will be paint curing time,
but the actual paint proceess itself is still gonna take at least 5 days! Here's why...

Turns out, the Rustoleum rusty metal primer I'm using needs 48 hours before recoating,
so since I can't possibly paint this entire frame in one sitting, I'll have to primer the bottom & sides,
bring it in the house, wait 2 days, take it back out & primer the top & whatever I missed on the sides,
bring it back in again, & wait 2 more days, then take it back out & paint the bottom & sides,
bring it back in yet again, wait 1 day, take it back out & paint the top & whatever I missed on the sides,
then bring it back inside one last time & wait 7 more days for the paint to cure before beginning the arduous task of reassembly!
Total paint & primer time: 12 days, minimum!

Then, there's still more work to do, even after reassembly, as I never did finish getting all the cables & cable housings cut,
along with a few other unfinished issues, like passenger side chain & several other things! Believe it or not, there's STILL much to do!

Guess I'd better get cracking, if I'm gonna meet my deadline of Thanksgiving, huh?


http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/2839/thanksgivingsigsmalllu5.jpg

TheKid
11-01-2008, 08:41 PM
You'll do it. I have faith in you. BTW, I removed the mid drive chainring set from the Fox. I now have one single chain going from front to rear, but I needed a spring loaded chain tensioner. After try several that didn't work, my LWB owner gave me a "reverse" derailer that came off a customers bike. Instead of lining up with the high gear when first installed, it lines up with the low gear. The down side is, if you use it for a cassette, the gears are reversed on the shifter, which is why the guy didn't want it. It looks brandy new too. Check your e-mail in about an hour.

Locutus
11-01-2008, 08:49 PM
Joey,
Try the method the paint booth shops use: hang it from one end on a hook, then paint the whole thing at once.

SirJoey
11-01-2008, 09:54 PM
Joey,
Try the method the paint booth shops use: hang it from one end on a hook, then paint the whole thing at once.

Well, that's the way I normally paint most stuff, but this frame is just too big & heavy.
There's just no way for me to hang it, so I'll have to set it up on buckets, & paint one side at a time.

That's okay, though. After 11 months, what's a few more daze? Barring a lotta bad weather,
I should still cross the finish line before Thanksgiving! :)


http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/2839/thanksgivingsigsmalllu5.jpg

SirJoey
11-09-2008, 10:13 PM
http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/8484/beautycap4vx1.jpg

Whadja expect? I'm still sandin' rust! LOL!
At least I have THIS part finished! :rolleyes:


http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/2839/thanksgivingsigsmalllu5.jpg

Richie Rich
11-10-2008, 12:28 AM
OOOOOH....Sparkly....!!

Me likee.....!!

...<RR>...

greenevegiebeast
11-10-2008, 01:08 AM
Joey, im glad my metal suplyer mainly carries primed stock. the weld through primer is going to save me alot of sanding time.:D

SirJoey
11-10-2008, 03:38 AM
Joey, im glad my metal suplyer mainly carries primed stock. the weld through primer is going to save me alot of sanding time.:D

It wasn't the fact that it was unprimered metal that was the problem.
It was the fact that the bare frame sat down there on the ground under that
open pole shed for several weeks after the fire, that caused it to rust super bad!

Actually, my frame is all cleaned up, but I really was still sanding rust as late
as yesterday... I was finally getting around to sanding it off of the axles!

This humid climate here is murder on bare steel!
(Not to mention welding wire, as I learned the hard way!) :eek:


http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/2839/thanksgivingsigsmalllu5.jpg

greenevegiebeast
11-10-2008, 11:38 AM
[This humid climate here is murder on bare steel!
(Not to mention welding wire, as I learned the hard way!) :eek:[/COLOR][/FONT][/B]


http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/2839/thanksgivingsigsmalllu5.jpg[/QUOTE]

ouch:eek:

SirJoey
11-10-2008, 07:55 PM
Okay, here's a "real" sneak preview...

Got the wheels back on 'er, along with a few minor things,
& finally got all these stinkin' cable housings fished through the frame!
Geez, what a pain!

http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/9039/sneakpreview1pl5.jpg

Believe it or not, there's STILL much to be done (besides reassembly), but barring any unforseen catastrophies,
I should have no problem making my deadline goal of Thanksgiving!

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/2839/thanksgivingsigsmalllu5.jpg

cyclesaver
11-11-2008, 08:59 PM
The cruiser is looking fantastic, Joey,, ya will be the talk of the town, toolin around on that.

SirJoey
11-12-2008, 08:40 AM
The cruiser is looking fantastic, Joey,, ya will be the talk of the town, toolin around on that.

Thanx, Terry! I hope you're right. Heaven knows, it's been a long, slow journey on this one. 11 months!

Unbelievable as it may seem, even though I started the reassembly process on Sunday,
& I've been pouring the hours into it, I'm STILL not done!

Worked on it 5 hours Sunday, 5 more hours Monday, & 7 hours yesterday!!!
That seems inconceivable, but it's true! But...

I figure one more good day of work will just about wrap this one up! Unfortunately,
I gotta go to town today, & don't know if I'll get home in time to get anything done today or not.
Then, it's supposed to rain Thursday, Friday, & Saturday, so unless I get home
early enough to finish it today (unlikely), I prolly won't be able to finish it till at least Sunday.

Still, even THAT would be a week & a half ahead of my Thanksgiving deadline! :)

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/8533/dsc04882ma1.jpg

http://img247.imageshack.us/img247/1592/dsc04880dz6.jpg


http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/2839/thanksgivingsigsmalllu5.jpg

jimFPU
11-12-2008, 09:14 AM
VERY NICE SJ!!

Did you braze those cable guides, or 'glue' them on with some sort of bonding agent? I've tried welding them on the lowest setting...just melts right through...even if I do it fast!

Very nice work. Maybe I should take more time on mine...but I want to ride NOW!!! I was on the Baby Wolf yesterday, and with the new OSS my legs are more in the way!!:eek:

SirJoey
11-12-2008, 09:26 AM
Thanx, Jim. They're brazed on. Personally, I'd never trust glue.

I learned to braze at the local college, before learning welding on my own
(which is obvious by the inconsistant quality of my welds!) :eek:

Anyway, although I don't use it near as much as I initially thought I would,
it does come in handy from time to time... :)


http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/2839/thanksgivingsigsmalllu5.jpg

jimFPU
11-12-2008, 09:31 AM
OK, cool.

BTW, I was referring to stuff like J.B.Weld. I've never used it so don't know how it works. Anyone?

SirJoey
11-12-2008, 09:35 AM
BTW, I was referring to stuff like J.B.Weld. I've never used it so don't know how it works. Anyone?

It's good for filler material, & for use in holding SOME things together,
especially where you can apply it fairly thick, but I doubt it would hold braze-ons in place.

BTW, it IS possible to weld 'em on, if you strike your arc on the parent metal FIRST, & then bring the puddle to the braze-on.
Not easy, but possible. I did it that way on my first attempt with Chopzilla. Even though I had already learned how to braze,
I didn't yet have my own brazing torch, so I welded 'em on.

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/3679/dsc02851ai2.jpg

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/5684/dsc02852la7.jpg

Of course, it doens't look as nice as brazing, either...

http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/2839/thanksgivingsigsmalllu5.jpg

jimFPU
11-12-2008, 11:09 AM
Maybe not, but it is functional. That's what I'm after, will try again...parent material first, lowest heat setting.

SirJoey
11-14-2008, 09:51 AM
Yep, as expected, I'm in the middle of a 3 day hiatus, due to rain. The weather channel nailed it!
All week, they've been calling for rain on Thur, Fri, & Sat. So far, it rained yesterday & today,
& they're still predicting more for tomorrow, so nothing has changed.

Sunny skies predicted for Sunday though, so maybe I can wrap up the Kroozer after church,
& go for a nice, Sunday ride! One can only hope! :D


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John Lewis
11-14-2008, 11:54 PM
Gee Joey I only just got back in here to look.

That sure is nice. We must think alike. My TE clone is the same colour. :)

Too late now for you but here's a painting tip. When I had to paint my aeroplane fuselage I fashioned two "X's" from some boards and bolted the frame between them. Paint away, Roll a 1/4 turn, paint away, Roll.... you get the picture. Worked great. With something like the cruiser you could have the X at the nose end and clamp a wheel disk in the back. Even easier.

Looking forward to seeing the finished pics.

Re Braze on stops. I use high silver content silver solder. One of those little cheap bottled gas torches produces enough heat to do the job.

Cheers,

John Lewis

SirJoey
11-15-2008, 07:35 AM
That sure is nice. We must think alike. My TE clone is the same colour.
Re Braze on stops. I use high silver content silver solder. One of those little cheap bottled gas torches produces enough heat to do the job. Thanx John, but the pics don't reflect the true color. In the pics, it looks powder blue,
but it's actually light purple, or grape, as it's called on the can.
I need to take the time to stop down a couple of f-stops on my camera to get the exposure right.

Good tip on the brazing! That should be a BIG help to anyone who doesn't own a torch set,
& doesn't wanna drop a bundle on one, like I mistakenly did last year!

Still raining... that's good though, cuz we're in a severe drought!


http://img356.imageshack.us/img356/2839/thanksgivingsigsmalllu5.jpg

John Lewis
11-15-2008, 08:05 AM
Must be my monitor. It looks light purple here the same as my bike.

John Lewis

SirJoey
11-15-2008, 09:17 AM
Must be my monitor. It looks light purple here the same as my bike.Well, then you're seeing it right!

I don't like it quite as much as regular purple,
but it's still a beautiful color, I think anyway! :)

It's loud, & kinda "day-glo" lookin', almost flourescent.


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