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Andrew Schlosser
01-02-2009, 12:02 PM
Until my recently purchased garage-stretcher gets delivered, I'm anticipating coming up a little short on garage space (already have 2 delta trikes and 2 other recumbents in a one car garage).

What are some strategies for storing the Kyoto?

standing on rear end
hanging upside down from ceiling
neighbor's garage
outside under a tarp/shed


Whatever the final solution, I think I want the ability to remove the seat, atleast fold over the seat back and handlebars. This will be less to hit my head on.

http://www.industrialbicycles.com/Hase/kettwiselstanding.jpg
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f251/knock3xs/DSCF0105-2.jpg
http://www.fleettrikes.com/high%20racer%20steering%20pivot.jpg

Radical Brad
01-02-2009, 12:39 PM
I stored mine sideways for a while, that works as well.

Brad

Richie Rich
01-03-2009, 01:29 AM
What are some strategies for storing the Kyoto?
Hi, 'ajs269' (Doesn't anyone use REAL names anymore...???)...

Here's how I built my DeltaWolf for easy transport and storage. Perhaps you can adapt some of these ideas into your Kyoto Cruiser....

The front end and rear wheels are removable and the steering folds. This makes a more compact unit.

Cheers.....Richie....
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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3108/3162392364_c6571cfe53_o.jpg

NOTE: The reason for the extra wheels is that I can easily convert the Wolf from a trike to a quad. Check my blog below for info...
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Andrew Schlosser
01-04-2009, 07:55 PM
After I created my profile, I regretted not using my real name. Do you know if I can change it? I looked around in the profile options, but didn't see it. One of the big woodworking boards forces you to use your real name, in order to keep people civil. Philosophy is you won't flame a person that has a real name, but an anonymous 3 letter 3 number screen name is easy to blast.

I thought about doing something similar, a smaller male tube fitting inside a larger female tube, and having it break in half passenger-driver side. I'll be sure to look at your webpage more.

Andrew Schlosser
01-04-2009, 10:54 PM
NOTE: The reason for the extra wheels is that I can easily convert the Wolf from a trike to a quad. Check my blog below for info...
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Hey Rich-
I checked out the trike conversion, and found your YouTube videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgCaZ4-hcJ4). Really professional video creation, a pleasure to watch. In the video, you also explained the two questions I had for you- where did you find tubing that really matched the inner dimensions of the existing frame, and how did you weld the connector to the existing frame. Thanks a bunch!

Richie Rich
01-05-2009, 12:45 AM
Hey Rich- Thanks a bunch!You're welcome, Andy.....Glad you enjoyed the video...!!
Watch for me on the next season of 'American Idol'...:sunny:

...Richie....
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SirJoey
01-05-2009, 06:09 AM
...where did you find tubing that really matched the inner dimensions of the existing frame... I couldn't find any that matched either,
so I used Richie's method to produce the adjustable boom on this one:

http://img161.imageshack.us/img161/6412/dsc03918ok0.jpg

"We're not worthy, we're not worthy" ;)


http://img384.imageshack.us/img384/7131/sirjoeysigmedij1.gif

Patrike
01-15-2009, 10:01 AM
You're welcome, Andy.....Glad you enjoyed the video...!!
Watch for me on the next season of 'American Idol'...:sunny:

...Richie....
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I was looking for an excuse to watch that show - now I will have one. :cheesy:

Patrike
01-15-2009, 10:11 AM
Hey Rich

With those quick release - do you find they have much play when in place. I had purchase that style rod ends without the quick release for my Patrike1 Tadpole and found to much play to my liking - I had some it up to the fact they were cheap.

Cheers
Patrick

Richie Rich
01-15-2009, 09:08 PM
Hey Rich

With those quick release - do you find they have much play when in place.
Cheers PatrickHi, Patrick...Due to the removable aspects of the design, there has to be some clearance between the ball and the rod end so you can get it on and off. So, yes, there is some slight movement.

The question then becomes, "How much play is 'too much'?".
I just checked mine and at the tips of the handle bar grips, I see about 1/8" of movement when the front wheels are locked. That's an acceptable trade-off for me in order to be able to quickly disassemble the DW/Quad for transport or storage without any tools.

Keep in mind that any play in a series of multiple rod ends gets added together, so I only use the removable rod ends on the steering arm and not on the tie rods between the 2 front wheels of the Quad.

I hope this helps....

...Richie...
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Patrike
01-16-2009, 12:22 PM
The question then becomes, "How much play is 'too much'?".
I just checked mine and at the tips of the handle bar grips, I see about 1/8" of movement when the front wheels are locked. That's an acceptable trade-off for me in order to be able to quickly disassemble the DW/Quad for transport or storage without any tools.

...Richie...
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So you are getting about 1/16 per unit. Yeah that would be acceptable for me as well for achieving that ability. Theres always a trade off.

Richie Rich
01-16-2009, 02:06 PM
So you are getting about 1/16 per unit. Yeah that would be acceptable for me as well for achieving that ability. Theres always a trade off. It's actually much less than 1/16th each (a millimeter if that), but then we get into mind-numbing geometric formulas which would prove that the 1/8-inch movement at the handle-bar tips in my shop would be MILES wide if they could reach to the moon...!! :rolleyes4:

So, as with many things in life, "It depends...."

..Richie...
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madmike
08-01-2009, 02:21 AM
My kyoto spent it's first winter meticulously wrapped in a tarp behind the garage
with about 20 junk bikes piled on top as a theft deterrent. It spent it's second winter on my driveway locked to a large steel sculpture and concealed under a pile of shoveled snow. Late fall and early spring it got hosed liberally with wd40 as a rust preventative. Suffered no ill effects.